http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#aaa217f6-be82-44c0-af8f-10e946798d64 you can order some glue and paper from here- http://talasonline.com/ jade 403 under synthetic adhesives is prob good for your purposes. order some glue brushes also for paper- it depends on how much money you want to spend- and how you want the texture- you should experiment. start with cheap acid free medium thickness printmaking/bookbinding papers. Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:54:02 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#aaa217f6-be82-44c0-af8f-10e946798d64 margaret 2006-01-31T22:54:02Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#dd4dde25-0742-48c1-8777-53d26d7ee1e7 the silk is drawn through the pages (sewn) to form two neat little ties... Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:44:59 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#dd4dde25-0742-48c1-8777-53d26d7ee1e7 Paula 2005-11-09T16:44:59Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#796ba31a-755d-470b-bcc1-e6bd2adce3e6 You can avoid the wrinkles by putting weight on the piece after it has been glued. If you let it dry flat it will stay flat. Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:38:44 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#796ba31a-755d-470b-bcc1-e6bd2adce3e6 Sebastian 2005-11-09T07:38:44Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#8ab48cd3-5b14-4dde-bb42-103b2dbe7f4d how does the silk hold the accordian together? is it a binding technique? Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:11:29 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#8ab48cd3-5b14-4dde-bb42-103b2dbe7f4d $item.owner.firstName 2005-11-09T01:11:29Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#b1673037-54e9-43d5-a98c-a9c047141cbf oh, also... I have a victorian japanese fairy tale on linen paper, accordian fold... and they used no glue at all, just two strands of silk thread to tie it... beautiful and has last all these many years... Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:51:38 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#b1673037-54e9-43d5-a98c-a9c047141cbf Paula 2005-09-07T16:51:38Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#bed18f67-063f-4a8a-9a2a-d65aa73b8be8 I have really liked Yamato glue, found in bright green tubes with yellow tops, found in Japanese stationary shops... (wow, sounds like a rhyme)... this is often used by printers for chine collé and for decoupage by collagers... archival and nice to work with... Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:50:11 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#bed18f67-063f-4a8a-9a2a-d65aa73b8be8 Paula 2005-09-07T16:50:11Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#77abfa1d-3dd5-4fa1-9c40-ab4a63804d11 Rubber cement is the WORST adhesive! It is NOT archival, long lasting, or even close to being acid free. I use this PVA type glue called WeldBond. It is available at most ACE Hardware stores. It is indeed acid-free, flexible when dry, and will last a long time. It is very concentrated, but mixes well with wheat starch paste or thins with water. Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:20:19 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#77abfa1d-3dd5-4fa1-9c40-ab4a63804d11 Mark 2005-09-07T14:20:19Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#33fbdd4b-b4f6-4a49-ba98-fba78ed1e6f0 well, good old rubber ceemnt applied correctly might be the answer since it does not get absorbed into the paper and the quick evaporation would keep the paper from wrinkling from the moisture... I would do a trial first, but applying on both faces makes a strong permanent bond and it woul certainly last forever... trouble is, it is not a forgiving process, so you pretty much have to know what you are doing and have a very clear and clean step-by-step process. Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:08:52 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#33fbdd4b-b4f6-4a49-ba98-fba78ed1e6f0 [.][o][0] 2005-08-08T03:08:52Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#13ac0219-c177-4b6e-a22f-fafad4d5ebb6 fz, thanks for the imput.... although... I'm planning on adhering the entire back of one side of paper, to the front of another, so the two pages would be flush with eachother, so I'm not sure if tape would be best. i definately want archival quality, and no yellowing. but, i'm have trouble believing a permanent, archival glue-stick is best. do you think pva would wrinkle too much? what about wheat paste? methyl cellulose? in terms of paper, i guess i'm just wondering more about weight and texture: What would ideally not tear on a letter press, not leave too much of an impression/wrinkle, while still printing clean with silkscreen? ps. unfortunately i'm not in nyc, but upstate.... kinda in the middle of nowhere... I'll probably have to mail order the paper. I'm trying for an edition of 50. Mon, 08 Aug 2005 02:56:57 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#13ac0219-c177-4b6e-a22f-fafad4d5ebb6 $item.owner.firstName 2005-08-08T02:56:57Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#144988c2-67b4-4b8d-afc6-443602715c10 well the best possible advice will come from printers or paper suppliers. I worked on a 9' scroll some 10 years go. It was printed in Letterperss and each sheet segment was stitched together with an archival binding tape from 3m (SCOTCH Binding System Tape-white- 788-1) used for book binding... the tape is still holding albeit it has turned a tad yelow along with the japanese cotton paper i used, but not significantly. The paper question is very open to newer available papers, however a visit to a paper supplier is the best way to see what is suitable... when I lived in LA there was McManus and Morgan and some other specialty paper vendors where you could go check out the sheets of paper from all over the world (machine calendered to hand made.) and choose the best suited for the project. There are many variables which might affect your design prerrogatives , such as textures and colorations or tints which would not be considered if I called out a paper for you. For a lasting result, you probably are looking at acid-free paper(archival) with long fiber strands to help with the structure of your folded accordian format. the rest is aesthetic consideration... being in NYC puts you ina good place for such worldly supplies. Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:53:34 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#144988c2-67b4-4b8d-afc6-443602715c10 [.][o][0] 2005-08-07T20:53:34Z http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#c720922f-8a46-403a-bbc2-9076142c3433 hey guys, I'm in the middle of designing an accordian book. The pages are folded and glued opposite eachother to create the accordion (make sense? I wish i could draw a picture..) I've been using a glue stick for the dummy model, but I'm wondering if there's a better, stronger, longerlasting, archival adhesive for the final edition, that won't wrinkle the pages?? any suggestions?! oh! I also need some suggestions for a sturdy paper that would work best for letterpress and silkscreen, that can take the glue, and also be stitched. I appreciate all and any imput!! thanks Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:35:47 GMT http://bookdesign.tribe.net/thread/30d69adf-3af1-44d3-9414-da2bd9f5184b#c720922f-8a46-403a-bbc2-9076142c3433 $item.owner.firstName 2005-08-07T19:35:47Z